Expo Limited

[Derek Boles [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

A few years ago, someone uploaded a copy of the 1967 Expo Limited timetable, but it seems to be gone from the Documents section. Any chance someone could upload it again?

Thanks.

Derek Boles

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[Tom Box [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

Post by Derek Boles derekboles-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
A few years ago, someone uploaded a copy of the 1967 Expo Limited
timetable, but it seems to be gone from the Documents section.
Any chance someone could upload it again?

I've created a new subfolder, Files > Documents > Expo_Limited,
and put five scanned pages from the April 30, 1967 public
timetable in it. I didn't do the upload of a few years ago,
and the stuff I've put up today is not the same as the previous
document. I hope it has the information Derek wants. It shows
the timetable for The Canadian, as well as the Expo Limited.

Tom Box
tbox at ncf dot ca
Port Hope, ON, Canada


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I added a scan of the pocket timetable - same info, more cool graphics :-)

- Paul

[Derek Boles [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

Thanks Tom & Paul. Exactly what I was looking for.

Derek

1a. Re: Expo Limited
Date: Sun Jun 15, 2014 6:53 am ((PDT))

Post by Derek Boles derekboles-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
A few years ago, someone uploaded a copy of the 1967 Expo Limited
timetable, but it seems to be gone from the Documents section.
Any chance someone could upload it again?

I've created a new subfolder, Files > Documents > Expo_Limited,
and put five scanned pages from the April 30, 1967 public
timetable in it. I didn't do the upload of a few years ago,
and the stuff I've put up today is not the same as the previous
document. I hope it has the information Derek wants. It shows
the timetable for The Canadian, as well as the Expo Limited.
Tom Box
tbox at ncf dot ca
Port Hope, ON, Canada
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1b. Re: Expo Limited
Date: Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:03 pm ((PDT))
I added a scan of the pocket timetable - same info, more cool graphics :-)
- Paul

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[Derek Boles [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

The reason for all this is that I’m writing an article on the train for the TRHA website. When I rode the Expo in 1967, I took plenty of photographs as it made its way through the Rockies. Someone here mentioned that they had the “Assignment of Space” booklet for the summer of 1967. I wonder if they would be so kind as to share the pages showing car assignments for the Expo? Maybe a scan in the Documents section?

Thanks.

Derek Boles

1a. Re: Expo Limited
Date: Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:47 am ((PDT))
Thanks Tom & Paul. Exactly what I was looking for.
Derek

1a. Re: Expo Limited
Date: Sun Jun 15, 2014 6:53 am ((PDT))

Post by Derek Boles derekboles-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
A few years ago, someone uploaded a copy of the 1967 Expo Limited
timetable, but it seems to be gone from the Documents section.
Any chance someone could upload it again?

I've created a new subfolder, Files > Documents > Expo_Limited,
and put five scanned pages from the April 30, 1967 public
timetable in it. I didn't do the upload of a few years ago,
and the stuff I've put up today is not the same as the previous
document. I hope it has the information Derek wants. It shows
the timetable for The Canadian, as well as the Expo Limited.
Tom Box
tbox at ncf dot ca
Port Hope, ON, Canada
Messages in this topic (21)
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1b. Re: Expo Limited
Date: Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:03 pm ((PDT))
I added a scan of the pocket timetable - same info, more cool graphics :-)
- Paul

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[Derek Boles [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

I want to thank everyone again for providing me with information on the Expo Limited. I had intended to write an article on the train for the Toronto Railway Historical Association website but I’m now thinking of doing a spin-off article for Branchline. A review of past threads on this list about the train provided much useful additional information.

I’m wondering at this point how many train sets had to be maintained by CP to keep this operation going during the summer of 1967. Transit times for the Montreal and Toronto sections varied from about 79 to 84 hours, much longer than The Canadian, which at that point was in the 67 to 71 hour range, due to the need to constantly replenish the ice-activated air conditioning used on the older cars, a time-consuming and labour-intensive process.

Derek Boles

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The Expo Limited's schedule could be maintained with eight consists. It was
often late arriving in Montreal which must have made it difficult to get a
late arriving consist ready for that evening's departure.

The time required to ice cars was built into the Expo Limited's schedule but
wasn't the primary reason for it being slower than The Canadian. The Expo
continued the Dominion's basic schedule which had essentially established in
the 1930s. It maximized daylight running through the Rocky and Selkirk
mountains. This called for four nights out, with daytime turnaround at each
end. When The Canadian was inaugurated, it avoided many stops which the
Dominion continued to serve, so it wouldn't have been possible to speed up
the Dominion without changing the nature of the traffic it carried.

At the west end the Dominion's (and Expo's) schedule was close to the times
of The Canadian, and farthest from them at the east end. Accelerating this
schedule to be closer to that of The Canadian but at different times of day
would have put the train into some important points (as well as the Rockies)
in the middle of the night, no matter how you arrange it.

Don Thomas

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I want to thank everyone again for providing me with information on the Expo
Limited. I had intended to write an article on the train for the Toronto
Railway Historical Association website but I'm now thinking of doing a
spin-off article for Branchline. A review of past threads on this list about
the train provided much useful additional information.

I'm wondering at this point how many train sets had to be maintained by CP
to keep this operation going during the summer of 1967. Transit times for
the Montreal and Toronto sections varied from about 79 to 84 hours, much
longer than The Canadian, which at that point was in the 67 to 71 hour
range, due to the need to constantly replenish the ice-activated air
conditioning used on the older cars, a time-consuming and labour-intensive
process.

Derek Boles

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