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VIA TRAIN NO. 2 EX VANCOUVER SEPT 5TH. 2014 eX TORONTO SEPT 9TH.
'DAVID J. SCOTT' tiadjs-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-09 01:58:11 UTC
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VIA Travel Advisory
"Due to operational issues, train 2 that left Vancouver on September 5,2014 will encounter an important delay."
David Scott
Toronto
Railpast wpfefferle-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-09 01:58:42 UTC
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Don't they all :-)

*Walter Pfefferle
Beachville Ontario
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VIA Travel Advisory
"Due to operational issues, train 2 that left Vancouver on September
5,2014 will encounter an important delay."
David Scott
Toronto
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'Mark W. Walton' mark.walton-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-09 02:07:39 UTC
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What would an "unimportant delay" be?

Mark Walton
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Subject: [CanPassRail] VIA TRAIN NO. 2 EX VANCOUVER SEPT 5TH. 2014 eX
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VIA Travel Advisory
"Due to operational issues, train 2 that left Vancouver on September 5,2014
will encounter an important delay."
David Scott
Toronto
David Jeanes djeanes-J4oS66wZXds@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-09 02:37:34 UTC
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What would an “unimportant delay” be?
"Important" in French means roughly "significant" in English, so "insignificant". But why do they use the word in its French sense?

David Jeanes
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2014-09-09 03:47:18 UTC
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Post by 'DAVID J. SCOTT' tiadjs-FFYn/***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
"Due to operational issues, train 2 that left Vancouver on
September 5, 2014 will encounter an important delay."
"Important" in French means roughly "significant" in English, [...]
But why do they use the word in its French sense?
The text was probably written by a francophone who is not aware
of the nuances of meaning of "important" in the two languages.
The English and French words do have somewhat similar meanings,
and in some contexts, it would be appropriate to use the same
word in both languages. Not here, though.


It might also have been written by an anglo who has been working
in a French-speaking milieu and has picked up the French meaning
of the word, and lost sight of the fact that it doesn't have
exactly the same meaning in English.


We can see a similar problem if we look at the French version
of the VIA notice, which says, "En raison de problÚmes
opérationnels, des délais importants sont à prévoir pour
le train 2 ayant quitté Vancouver le 5 septembre 2014."


I hesitate to criticize someone's French usage, since it's
not my mother tongue, but I believe "délais" is not the
best choice of words. "Délai" means the time allotted to
carry out a task. The usual French translation of the
English "delay" is "retard". Because "délai" looks like
"delay", there's a tendency to assume they mean the same
thing, when in fact they don't. See, for example, item 10
in the following exercise on anglicisms:
<http://www.cce.umontreal.ca/auto/anglicismes_cor5.htm>


Tom Box
tbox at ncf dot ca
Port Hope, ON, Canada
dayphope-IIuiyOQF2mxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-09 13:44:52 UTC
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A funnier use of "delay" is when a Quebec lawyer asks an Ontario lawyer for an adjournment of a court case. Lawyers seeking adjournments are always accused of using excuses to delay the case, which they always deny; but the French word is "delai" and a Quebec lawyer, even an Anglophone, may be so immersed in Quebecois legalese that they will request a "delay" in English. I've seen it.
G Burridge gburridge-/wvCPmv6SvYTjfjEsPSlEQ@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-09 08:24:27 UTC
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At 08/09/2014 10:37 PM (), you wrote:<br><br>
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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">On 8 Sep, 2014, at 22:07, 'Mark
W. Walton'
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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">What would an �unimportant
delay� be?</blockquote><br>
&quot;Important&quot; in French means roughly &quot;significant&quot; in
English, so &quot;insignificant&quot;. But why do they use the word in
its French sense?</blockquote><br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>The annual
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position ... <br>
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Cross-usage(improperly) of words is not limited from English to French in
these parts.<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>On French
TV/radio now-a-days 'O-my-god' (with proper slightly different franco
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'DAVID J. SCOTT' tiadjs-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-09 15:38:16 UTC
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Just checked with VIA at 11:30 am and the ETA Toronto is now 16h30 (4:30 pm).
David Scott
Toronto



On Monday, September 8, 2014 10:37 PM, "David Jeanes djeanes-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]" <Canadian-Passenger-Rail-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:






On 8 Sep, 2014, at 22:07, 'Mark W. Walton' mark.walton-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail] wrote:

What would an “unimportant delay” be?

"Important" in French means roughly "significant" in English, so "insignificant". But why do they use the word in its French sense?

David Jeanes
'Tim' t_hunter-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-09 21:57:15 UTC
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VIA # 2 arrived at Oriole siding at 5:15 PM and waited for passage of NB GO
train at 5:23. # 2 departed siding about 3 minutes later passing MP 11.1 at
about 5:26 PM.

3 locomotives led by # 6401 with 21 cars. Caught it just by chance so I
didn't get a detailed consist. Arrival at Union will be about 6PM.

Tim Hunter

@ MP 11.1 Bala Sub



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Just checked with VIA at 11:30 am and the ETA Toronto is now 16h30 (4:30
pm).

David Scott

Toronto



On Monday, September 8, 2014 10:37 PM, "David Jeanes djeanes-***@public.gmane.org
[Canadian-Passenger-Rail]" <Canadian-Passenger-Rail-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:







On 8 Sep, 2014, at 22:07, 'Mark W. Walton' mark.walton-***@public.gmane.org
[Canadian-Passenger-Rail] wrote:





What would an "unimportant delay" be?



"Important" in French means roughly "significant" in English, so
"insignificant". But why do they use the word in its French sense?



David Jeanes
lleonard-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-09 22:41:01 UTC
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Stuck on GO train @ 5:45EDT at the Brickyard when we let VIA2 go by ....
will post the consist later (pays to sit by on the west side lower level)


Lloyd Leonard
lleonard-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-10 12:28:58 UTC
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VIA 2 consist Arriving Toronto Union around 6PM EDT Tuesday Sept 9th 6401
6418
6456
Baggage/Dorm 8609
Coach 8122
Coach 8117
Skyline 8510
Alexander Diner
Skyline 8507
Christie Manor
Draper Manor
Bell Manor
Franklin Manor
Cr..... Manor
Fraser Manor
Ch. Mad.......
Ch. Montcalm
Ch. Laval
Skyline 8512
Emerald Diner
Osler Manor
Lorne Manor
Cameron Manor
Yoho Park
Will wpgwill-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-11 01:51:34 UTC
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Does anyone know why the Canadian has been so consistently late these days? Is it extra CN traffic? Extremely late arrivals into Union now seem common. I’ve taken #2 on Saturday night from Toronto many times and have been early for work on Monday morning. Now I’m considering flying back instead. I could stand a 3 hour delay on the way home, but if it’s 12 hours late I’d loose a whole day of work.

Will
Post by lleonard-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
VIA 2 consist Arriving Toronto Union around 6PM EDT Tuesday Sept 9th 6401
6418
6456
Baggage/Dorm 8609
Coach 8122
Coach 8117
Skyline 8510
Alexander Diner
Skyline 8507
Christie Manor
Draper Manor
Bell Manor
Franklin Manor
Cr..... Manor
Fraser Manor
Ch. Mad.......
Ch. Montcalm
Ch. Laval
Skyline 8512
Emerald Diner
Osler Manor
Lorne Manor
Cameron Manor
Yoho Park
marcrail1-H+0wwilmMs3R7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-11 12:08:54 UTC
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Is #1 as unreliable at Vancouver as #2 is at Toronto?

Ira Silverman
Rockville MD
'Terry' terrybc-EynCeXvFgoheoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-11 23:16:50 UTC
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The delays to #1/2 are going to get even worse down the road as CN traffic
increases. The days of seeing a #1/2 arrival on time for Vancouver or
Toronto will eventually a thing of the past.

As to answer Ira's question, yes #1 has been late arriving into Vancouver
late as well.
Post by marcrail1-H+***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
Is #1 as unreliable at Vancouver as #2 is at Toronto?
Ira Silverman
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jshron-YqRVrQajj0gP6ugs0E69NA@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-11 14:16:30 UTC
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Almost every one of the delays is due to CN. They put their trains first.


Evidently they've weighed whatever penalties they pay for late arrivals of VIA trains against the value of putting their stuff first and they've decided that the penalties are worth paying.


Just like CN figured that it is cheaper to clean up derailments than to maintain their entire freight car fleet in a state of good repair. Gotta keep that operating ratio at 60! I'm sure we'll see the same thing happen on CP now that Hunter is in control.


One day one of those derailments will happen beside a full VIA train and then the government will finally wake up and start regulating maintenance.


-Jason






-In Canadian-Passenger-***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Does anyone know why the Canadian has been so consistently late these days? Is it extra CN traffic? Extremely late arrivals into Union now seem common. I’ve taken #2 on Saturday night from Toronto many times and have been early for work on Monday morning. Now I’m considering flying back instead. I could stand a 3 hour delay on the way home, but if it’s 12 hours late I’d loose a whole day of work.


Will
PBBowers 4everwaiting-jo25GeiH2Oje0AzmVY4PQg@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-11 18:25:41 UTC
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With my dealings with Government re VIA, |I
expect Gov't is allowing/recommending CN delay
trains so passengers leave the rail and use more
convenient methods to travel. Sad but probably
truer than most of us really want to believe. As
Will says, he is considering flying over rail.

Peter
Post by jshron-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
Almost every one of the delays is due to CN. They put their trains first.
Evidently they've weighed whatever penalties
they pay for late arrivals of VIA trains against
the value of putting their stuff first and
they've decided that the penalties are worth paying.
Does anyone know why the Canadian has been so
consistently late these days? Is it extra CN
traffic? Extremely late arrivals into Union now
seem common. I’ve taken #2 on Saturday night
from Toronto many times and have been early for
work on Monday morning. Now I’m considering
flying back instead. I could stand a 3 hour
delay on the way home, but if it’s 12 hours
late I’d loose a whole day of work.
Will
Peter B. Bowers

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railsmith-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-12 07:01:00 UTC
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CN and CP are facing fines of $100,000 per day from the federal government if they don't meet weekly targets for moving train. This will continue into November. Whatever the penalty is for delays to VIA, I doubt it comes anywhere close to that.

Ian Smith
railsmith-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
2014-09-12 07:03:13 UTC
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Typo in my message. Should be "targets for moving grain".

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