GO train collides with dump truck - raw video

[Railpast [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

Dam lucky it was running locomotive first. No excuse for this, stop and
look before crossing as the law requires. Just another macho truck driver.
http://globalnews.ca/video/1432210/dump-truck-collides-with-go-train

['DAVID J. SCOTT' tiadjs-FFYn/[e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

Dam lucky the locomotive struck the truck's cab and not  the
truck's load., otherwise the locomotive would have DERAILED along with one or two coaches. 
David Scott

Toronto.

On Saturday, July 5, 2014 3:57:57 PM, "Railpast wpfefferle-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]" <Canadian-Passenger-Rail-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:



 
Dam lucky it was running locomotive first. No excuse for this, stop and look before crossing as the law requires. Just another macho truck driver.
http://globalnews.ca/video/1432210/dump-truck-collides-with-go-train

['Mark W. Walton' [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

How is the truck driver?

Mark Walton
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Dam lucky the locomotive struck the truck's cab and not the
truck's load., otherwise the locomotive would have DERAILED along with one or two coaches.
David Scott


Toronto.

On Saturday, July 5, 2014 3:57:57 PM, "Railpast wpfefferle-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]" <Canadian-Passenger-Rail-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Dam lucky it was running locomotive first. No excuse for this, stop and look before crossing as the law requires. Just another macho truck driver.
http://globalnews.ca/video/1432210/dump-truck-collides-with-go-train

[David Jeanes [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

From the Toronto Star story, the driver of the truck survived without life-threatening injuries. A very lucky person.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/07/04/go_train_hits_dump_truck_in_vaughan.html

This accident was at a crossing with no signals, but with stop signs below the crossbucks. It is difficult for such heavily-loaded trucks to get up to speed from a stop.

Hopefully the front-end camera in the locomotive will have recorded what actually happened and whether the truck had stopped first.

In Ottawa one of the reasons that buses do not stop at signalled and gated grade crossings is because some studies have shown that the exposure time to collisions is increased after a stop.

David Jeanes

How is the truck driver?
Mark Walton
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [CanPassRail] GO train collides with dump truck - raw video
Dam lucky the locomotive struck the truck's cab and not the
truck's load., otherwise the locomotive would have DERAILED along with one or two coaches.
David Scott
Toronto.
Dam lucky it was running locomotive first. No excuse for this, stop and look before crossing as the law requires. Just another macho truck driver.
http://globalnews.ca/video/1432210/dump-truck-collides-with-go-train
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Walter Pfefferle
Beachville Ontario
railpast.com

[Railpast [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

I rode that line last year and am not aware of sidings or other tracks
along that line so how are they going to reroute trains around the
accident. Looking at Google maps that is single track there. I think
this is the crossing as it is the only one I see on private property.
https://goo.gl/maps/FKrER

<quote>GO Transit warned commuters to expect delays. The entire Barrie
line is currently suspended, but other trains are expected to be
re-routed around the accident.<quote>


*Walter Pfefferle
Beachville Ontario
railpast.com*

From the Toronto Star story, the driver of the truck survived without
life-threatening injuries. A very lucky person.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/07/04/go_train_hits_dump_truck_in_vaughan.html
This accident was at a crossing with no signals, but with stop signs
below the crossbucks. It is difficult for such heavily-loaded trucks
to get up to speed from a stop.
Hopefully the front-end camera in the locomotive will have recorded
what actually happened and whether the truck had stopped first.
In Ottawa one of the reasons that buses do not stop at signalled and
gated grade crossings is because some studies have shown that the
exposure time to collisions is increased after a stop.
David Jeanes

Post by 'Mark W. Walton' mark.walton-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
How is the truck driver?
Mark Walton
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*Subject:*Re: [CanPassRail] GO train collides with dump truck - raw video
Dam lucky the locomotive struck the truck's cab and not the
truck's load., otherwise the locomotive would have DERAILED along
with one or two coaches.
David Scott
Toronto.
Dam lucky it was running locomotive first. No excuse for this, stop
and look before crossing as the law requires. Just another macho
truck driver.
http://globalnews.ca/video/1432210/dump-truck-collides-with-go-train
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[David Jeanes [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

It appears to have been two crossings north of the private crossing marked by Walter. There is a gravel pit there and there are two tracks at the crossing visible in the TV aerial view.

The start of the multiple track can be seen on the south side of Kirby Road in Google streetview, but is not in Google satellite view, so seems to be recent construction. The cleared area for this track is visible in the satellite view.

David Jeanes

I rode that line last year and am not aware of sidings or other tracks along that line so how are they going to reroute trains around the accident. Looking at Google maps that is single track there. I think this is the crossing as it is the only one I see on private property. https://goo.gl/maps/FKrER
<quote>GO Transit warned commuters to expect delays. The entire Barrie line is currently suspended, but other trains are expected to be re-routed around the accident.<quote>
Walter Pfefferle
Beachville Ontario
railpast.com

[Railpast [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

Yes, probably it as a dump truck would not have much reason to be on the
framers lane. Hard to tell but seem pretty open and no idea how the
driver could not see the train coming. Here is the location you are
talking about.
https://goo.gl/maps/CGFd7
Train was traveling south and not much in his line of vision as he was
going into the pit.
I see those guys on cell phones all the time, wonder if he felt because
he was on private property using his cell was okay? Whatever the reason
he was not paying attention.

Post by David Jeanes djeanes-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
It appears to have been two crossings north of the private crossing
marked by Walter. There is a gravel pit there and there are two tracks
at the crossing visible in the TV aerial view.
The start of the multiple track can be seen on the south side of Kirby
Road in Google streetview, but is not in Google satellite view, so
seems to be recent construction. The cleared area for this track is
visible in the satellite view.
David Jeanes

Post by Railpast wpfefferle-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
I rode that line last year and am not aware of sidings or other
tracks along that line so how are they going to reroute trains around
the accident. Looking at Google maps that is single track there. I
think this is the crossing as it is the only one I see on private
property.https://goo.gl/maps/FKrER
<quote>GO Transit warned commuters to expect delays. The entire
Barrie line is currently suspended, but other trains are expected to
be re-routed around the accident.<quote>
*Walter Pfefferle
Beachville Ontario
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[Knut [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

The rail line seems to run pretty straight.
Wonder why the truck driver didn't see the approaching train.

Knut

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Post by David Jeanes djeanes-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
It appears to have been two crossings north of the private crossing marked by Walter. There is a gravel pit there and there are two tracks at the crossing visible in the TV aerial view.
The start of the multiple track can be seen on the south side of Kirby Road in Google streetview, but is not in Google satellite view, so seems to be recent construction. The cleared area for this track is visible in the satellite view.
David Jeanes

I rode that line last year and am not aware of sidings or other tracks along that line so how are they going to reroute trains around the accident. Looking at Google maps that is single track there. I think this is the crossing as it is the only one I see on private property. https://goo.gl/maps/FKrER
<quote>GO Transit warned commuters to expect delays. The entire Barrie line is currently suspended, but other trains are expected to be re-routed around the accident.<quote>
Walter Pfefferle
Beachville Ontario
railpast.com

[Railpast [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

I hope GO sues him for damages and he is charged for failing to stop. I
also hope they check his cell phone or two way if he was using it for a
time stamp to see if he was using it at the time of the collision. Way
two many collisions between trucks and trains and just about all of them
are due to the driver thinking he can beat the train or is not paying
attention.

Unsafe drivers and companies need to quit putting peopels lives in
danger just to save a few minutes. Huge fines and jail time might help
cut down on this problem but holding drivers responsible would be a
first big step.

Post by Knut knut-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
The rail line seems to run pretty straight.
Wonder why the truck driver didn't see the approaching train.
Knut
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Post by David Jeanes djeanes-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
It appears to have been two crossings north of the private crossing
marked by Walter. There is a gravel pit there and there are two
tracks at the crossing visible in the TV aerial view.
The start of the multiple track can be seen on the south side of
Kirby Road in Google streetview, but is not in Google satellite view,
so seems to be recent construction. The cleared area for this track
is visible in the satellite view.
David Jeanes

Post by Railpast wpfefferle-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
I rode that line last year and am not aware of sidings or other
tracks along that line so how are they going to reroute trains
around the accident. Looking at Google maps that is single track
there. I think this is the crossing as it is the only one I see on
private property.https://goo.gl/maps/FKrER
<quote>GO Transit warned commuters to expect delays. The entire
Barrie line is currently suspended, but other trains are expected to
be re-routed around the accident.<quote>
*Walter Pfefferle
Beachville Ontario
railpast.com <http://railpast.com/>*

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[Dan Garcia smallspy_g-FFYn/[e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

Walter, were you in the truck with the driver when the accident happened?

If not, than you have absolutely NO idea what the events were the resulted in the accident, beyond the extremely scarce amount of detail that have come out in the media (truck was wrecked, train didn't derail, passengers were delayed). Assuming the facts in the case - which is what you are doing - and assessing guilt prior to the investigation being complete does no one any good.


Dan
Toronto, Ont.



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I hope GO sues him for damages and he is charged for failing to
stop. I also hope they check his cell phone or two way if he was
using it for a time  stamp to see if he was using it at the time of
the collision. Way two many collisions between trucks and trains and
just about all of them are due to the driver thinking he can beat
the train or is not paying attention.

Unsafe drivers and companies need to quit putting peopels lives in
danger just to save a few minutes. Huge fines and jail time might
help cut down on this problem but holding drivers responsible would
be a first big step.




On 07/07/2014 10:43 AM, Knut knut-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail] wrote:

 

Post by Knut knut-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
The rail line seems to run pretty straight.
Wonder why the truck driver didn't see the approaching train.
Knut
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Post by David Jeanes djeanes-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
It appears to have been two crossings north of the private crossing marked by Walter. There is a gravel pit there and there are two tracks at the crossing visible in the TV aerial view.
The start of the multiple track can be seen on the south side of Kirby Road in Google streetview, but is not in Google satellite view, so seems to be recent construction. The cleared area for this track is visible in the satellite view.
David Jeanes
I rode that line last year and am not aware of sidings or other tracks along that line so how are they going to reroute trains around the accident. Looking at Google maps that is single track there.  I think this is the crossing as it is the only one I see on private property. https://goo.gl/maps/FKrER

<quote>GO Transit warned commuters to expect delays. The entire Barrie line is currently suspended, but other trains are expected to be re-routed around the accident.<quote>
Walter Pfefferle
Beachville Ontario
railpast.com

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Also in these cases vary rarely does the train jump in front of the truck :-)<br><br><div id="1330555953272-sig-id">Sent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™<br>www.blackberry.com</div><br><hr><div><strong>From:</strong> "Dan Garcia smallspy_g-FFYn/***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]" &lt;Canadian-Passenger-Rail-***@public.gmane.org&gt;<br><strong>To:</strong> "Canadian-Passenger-Rail-***@public.gmane.org" &lt;Canadian-Passenger-Rail-***@public.gmane.org&gt;<br><strong>Sent:</strong> 7 July, 2014 1:37 PM<br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [CanPassRail] GO train collides with dump truck - raw video<br></div><br>
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<p></p><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div><span>Walter, were you in the truck with the driver when the accident happened?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13.3333px;font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13.3333px;font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;"><span>If not, than you have absolutely NO idea what the events were the resulted in the accident, beyond the extremely scarce amount of detail that have come out in the media (truck was wrecked, train didn't derail, passengers were delayed). Assuming the facts in the case - which is what you are doing -
and assessing guilt prior to the investigation being complete does no one any good.<br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13.3333px;font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13.3333px;font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;"><span>Dan</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13.3333px;font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;"><span>Toronto, Ont.<br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
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I hope GO sues him for damages and he is charged for failing to
stop. I also hope they check his cell phone or two way if he was
using it for a time&nbsp; stamp to see if he was using it at the time of
the collision. Way two many collisions between trucks and trains and
just about all of them are due to the driver thinking he can beat
the train or is not paying attention.<br clear="none">
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Unsafe drivers and companies need to quit putting peopels lives in
danger just to save a few minutes. Huge fines and jail time might
help cut down on this problem but holding drivers responsible would
be a first big step.<br clear="none">
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<div>The rail line seems to run pretty straight.</div>
<div>Wonder why the truck driver didn't see the approaching
train.</div>
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<div>It appears to have been two crossings north
of the private crossing marked by Walter.
There is a gravel pit there and there are two
tracks at the crossing visible in the TV
aerial view.</div>
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<div>The start of the multiple track can be seen
on the south side of Kirby Road in Google
streetview, but is not in Google satellite
view, so seems to be recent construction. The
cleared area for this track is visible in the
satellite view.<br clear="none">
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<div>On 7 Jul, 2014, at 9:15, Railpast <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:wpfefferle-***@public.gmane.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:wpfefferle-***@public.gmane.org">wpfefferle-***@public.gmane.org</a>
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line last year and am not aware of
sidings or other tracks along that
line so how are they going to reroute
trains around the accident. Looking at
Google maps that is single track
there.&nbsp; I think this is the crossing
as it is the only one I see on private
property.<span class="yiv3794390191Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv3794390191moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://goo.gl/maps/FKrER">https://goo.gl/maps/FKrER</a><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;">&lt;quote&gt;GO
Transit warned commuters to expect
delays. The entire Barrie line is
currently suspended, but other
trains are expected to be re-routed
around the accident.</span>&lt;quote&gt;<br clear="none">
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Beachville Ontario<br clear="none">
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[David Jeanes [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

The rail line seems to run pretty straight.Wonder why the truck driver didn't see the approaching train.

The crossing, (not the one Walter identified), is on a curve which increases north of the crossing. The double track is now continuous through the area and can be seen in streetview from both Keele Street and Teston Road.

The train was moving fast (58 mph at impact) and the truck may have been moving very slowly if it had made the stop at the stop sign. The train camera should show what happened.

David Jeanes

[Knut [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

Can you post a link of the crossing where this happened so that we are all talking about the same crossing.

I scanned google view up and down that rail line and I only see slight curvatures.

Knut

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Post by David Jeanes djeanes-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]

The rail line seems to run pretty straight.Wonder why the truck driver didn't see the approaching train.

The crossing, (not the one Walter identified), is on a curve which increases north of the crossing. The double track is now continuous through the area and can be seen in streetview from both Keele Street and Teston Road.
The train was moving fast (58 mph at impact) and the truck may have been moving very slowly if it had made the stop at the stop sign. The train camera should sho w what happened.
David Jeanes

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Post by Knut knut-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
Can you post a link of the crossing where this happened so that we are all talking about the same crossing.
I scanned google view up and down that rail line and I only see slight curvatures.

Walter posted the corrected link: https://goo.gl/maps/CGFd7

David Jeanes

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Post by Knut knut-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
I scanned google view up and down that rail line and I only see slight curvatures.
From the point where the truck should have stopped at the stop sign the track from the north appears to be completely hidden by trees from a point about 150 metres away.

At 60 mph, it would take the train about 5.5 seconds to cover this distance. How far would a loaded dump truck have moved from a full stop in 5.5 seconds?

David Jeanes

[Jon Calon jon.yg-E/[e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

I would suspect not very far. Especially if the driver wasn't hammering on the gas pedal...

Warning lights and bells are supposed to activate within 20-25 seconds of a train arriving at a grade crossing. Presuming the driver has already committed to going from a stop and has entered the crossing zone, are they able to clear within that time?

Cheers,
Jon

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Post by Knut knut-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
I scanned google view up and down that rail line and I only see slight curvatures.

From the point where the truck should have stopped at the stop sign the track from the north appears to be completely hidden by trees from a point about 150 metres away.
At 60 mph, it would take the train about 5.5 seconds to cover this distance. How far would a loaded dump truck have moved from a full stop in 5.5 seconds?
David Jeanes

[Knut [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

We are still all guessing.

It's not really clear to me to what degree the driver's view of the train was really blocked by the trees or anything else.
If there would have been really only 5 or 6 seconds warning, then there is a problem with that particular crossing.

But I also assume that the train would have blown it's whistle at the appropriate time - again, here I am guessing.
Best is to wait for some additional facts.

Knut

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Post by Jon Calon jon.yg-E/5X+***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
I would suspect not very far. Especially if the driver wasn't hammering on the gas pedal...
Warning lights and bells are supposed to activate within 20-25 seconds of a train arriving at a grade crossing. Presuming the driver has already committed to going from a stop and has entered the crossing zone, are they able to clear within that time?
Cheers,
Jon

Post by Knut knut-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
I scanned google view up and down that rail line and I only see slight curvatures.

From the point where the truck should have stopped at the stop sign the track from the north appears to be completely hidden by trees from a point a bout 150 metres away.
At 60 mph, it would take the train about 5.5 seconds to cover this distance. How far would a loaded dump truck have moved from a full stop in 5.5 seconds?
David Jeanes

[David Jeanes [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

There were no warning lights at this private crossing.

David Jeanes

Post by Jon Calon jon.yg-E/5X+***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
Warning lights and bells are supposed to activate within 20-25 seconds of a train arriving at a grade crossing. Presuming the driver has already committed to going from a stop and has entered the crossing zone, are they able to clear within that time?

[Jon Calon jon.yg-E/[e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

Oh my. Apologies on my part for presuming there was something more than a stop sign.

If it's a private crossing, are the engineers even required to whistle for it? Out here, can't say I know of any private crossings which are whistled for... The CROR* only makes mention to the 14(L) for public crossings and whistle posts indicated in special instructions.

Cheers,
Jon

* the CROR I'm referring to is the one at the Transport Canada site. The set of rules GO/Metrolinx is using may be different...

Post by David Jeanes djeanes-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
There were no warning lights at this private crossing.
David Jeanes

Post by Jon Calon jon.yg-E/5X+***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
Warning lights and bells are supposed to activate within 20-25 seconds of a train arriving at a grade crossing. Presuming the driver has already committed to going from a stop and has entered the crossing zone, are they able to clear within that time?

[Christian Base [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

Reminder... The Global News footage posted at the start of this thread
clearly shows a crossing protected only by stop signs. No lights, no
bells, & no gate.

Thanks,
Christian.
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Post by Jon Calon jon.yg-E/5X+***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
I would suspect not very far. Especially if the driver wasn't hammering
on the gas pedal...
Warning lights and bells are supposed to activate within 20-25 seconds of
a train arriving at a grade crossing. Presuming the driver has already
committed to going from a stop and has entered the crossing zone, are they
able to clear within that time?
Cheers,
Jon

[Fred Mills [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

Maybe the cost of hiring a flagman, at minimum wage might have prevented
this accident....or is hiring a real person not allowed these days...?



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[Railpast [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

There are specific regulations for sight lines based on speed of trains.
I am sure they will check to see if they are in compliance. Pretty
complicated looking formula. Who is responsible that these are met? Who
inspects that track, Metrolinx? Do their inspectors look at line of
sight or just track issues? Can the railway force landowners to clear
any vegetation that is a problem. Also mentions line of sight must be
maintained no closer than 9 m. Some of that stuff and equipment on the
west side looks a lot closer than that.
https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/railsafety/grade-crossings-standards-321.htm

The trees along the road seem to be on private property so I would it be
the owners responsibility to ensure he is in compliance? I would think
the railway would only be responsible for vegetation on their property.

Just things I never though of before and am curious of the answers.

Thanks

*Walter Pfefferle
Beachville Ontario
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Post by Christian Base christian.base-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
Reminder... The Global News footage posted at the start of this thread
clearly shows a crossing protected only by stop signs. No lights, no
bells, & no gate.
Thanks,
Christian.
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moments of an overture." - Graham Greene
I would suspect not very far. Especially if the driver wasn't
hammering on the gas pedal...
Warning lights and bells are supposed to activate within 20-25
seconds of a train arriving at a grade crossing. Presuming the
driver has already committed to going from a stop and has entered
the crossing zone, are they able to clear within that time?
Cheers,
Jon
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[tieplatecaf-FFYn/[e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

After speaking to the hogger , the trainee and the conductor ... Who all spoke to the truck driver after the "What the hell were you thinking" was said ..... He had a brain fart .... He stopped prior to the crossing like the stop sign implies ... And really did not look .... When he heard the first whistle warning blast he reacted panicked and stopped but thought he was too close ... So he went for it ..... Mistake ... Yes .... Lucky .... Yes .... Train crew lucky that they hit him where they did .... Yes ..... This is a "farmers crossing" private .... No quarter mile whistle boards ... Just a use at your own risk crossing ... Sight lines are obstructed by trees from the north and the slight curve dsnt help ... Ever since the top soil pit had opened there there have been numerous near misses .... Ive personally nearly wiped out a excavator on a float there .... Will this get resolved yes ... When ... I have no idea ... But as for now its business as usual Fox Locomotive Engineer Bombardier Transportation

[Railpast [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

Interesting. Now why are there these crossings when trains are blowing
through there at 60 mph with 1500 people on them? Imagine if it was
northbound.

That whole line needs to be looked at before another accident claims
many lives.

*Walter Pfefferle
Beachville Ontario
railpast.com*

Post by tieplatecaf-FFYn/***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
After speaking to the hogger , the trainee and the conductor ... Who
all spoke to the truck driver after the "What the hell were you
thinking" was said ..... He had a brain fart .... He stopped prior to
the crossing like the stop sign implies ... And really did not look
.... When he heard the first whistle warning blast he reacted panicked
and stopped but thought he was too close ... So he went for it .....
Mistake ... Yes .... Lucky .... Yes .... Train crew lucky that they
hit him where they did .... Yes ..... This is a "farmers crossing"
private .... No quarter mile whistle boards ... Just a use at your own
risk crossing ... Sight lines are obstructed by trees from the north
and the slight curve dsnt help ... Ever since the top soil pit had
opened there there have been numerous near misses .... Ive personally
nearly wiped out a excavator on a float there .... Will this get
resolved yes ... When ... I have no idea ... But as for now its
business as usual Fox Locomotive Engineer Bombardier Transportation
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Beachville Ontario
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[Chris Fox tieplatecaf-FFYn/[e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

The train was there before anything else was there .... Its your responsibility for safety .... If the farmer ... Pit owner .. Or whoever wants to use this crossing ... Use at your own risk .... Kingston sub Dundas sub have a lot higher speeds than that and there are tones of farmer crossings ... Boats have right of way over trains ... Trains have right Of way over automotive vehicles ... Thats the way it is .... Speed dsnt matter ... Use of common sense and reading warning signs trumps all of it .... If we have to start slowing down for every crossing and be on the look out for cars/trucks .... Then the whole thing will collapse and fail ....

Fox

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Interesting. Now why are there these crossings when trains are blowing through there at 60 mph with 1500 people on them? Imagine if it was northbound.
That whole line needs to be looked at before another accident claims many lives.
Walter Pfefferle
Beachville Ontario
railpast.com

After speaking to the hogger , the trainee and the conductor ... Who all spoke to the truck driver after the "What the hell were you thinking" was said ..... He had a brain fart .... He stopped prior to the crossing like the stop sign implies ... And really did not look .... When he heard the first whistle warning blast he reacted panicked and stopped but thought he was too close ... So he went for it ..... Mistake ... Yes .... Lucky .... Yes .... Train crew lucky that they hit him where they did .... Yes ..... This is a "farmers crossing" private .... No quarter mile whistle boards ... Just a use at your own risk crossing ... Sight lines are obstructed by trees from the north and the slight curve dsnt help ... Ever since the top soil pit had opened there there have been numerous near misses .... Ive personally nearly wiped out a excavator on a float there .... Will this get resolved yes ... When ... I have no idea ... But as for now its business as usual Fox Locomotive Engineer Bombardier Transportation
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[Railpast [e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

Chris when I said it has to be looked at is I meant from Metrolinx and
passenger safety. These crossings need to be opened up with clear lines
of sight each way. If the owner will not do it, either close the
crossing or clear it out and bill them. Leaving it the way it is is
asking for a disaster and it will not be if, but when it will happen.

*Walter Pfefferle
Beachville Ontario
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Post by Chris Fox tieplatecaf-FFYn/***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
The train was there before anything else was there .... Its your
responsibility for safety .... If the farmer ... Pit owner .. Or
whoever wants to use this crossing ... Use at your own risk ....
Kingston sub Dundas sub have a lot higher speeds than that and there
are tones of farmer crossings ... Boats have right of way over trains
... Trains have right Of way over automotive vehicles ... Thats
the way it is .... Speed dsnt matter ... Use of common sense and
reading warning signs trumps all of it .... If we have to start
slowing down for every crossing and be on the look out for cars/trucks
.... Then the whole thing will collapse and fail ....
Fox
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Post by Railpast wpfefferle-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
Interesting. Now why are there these crossings when trains are
blowing through there at 60 mph with 1500 people on them? Imagine if
it was northbound.
That whole line needs to be looked at before another accident claims many lives.

Post by tieplatecaf-FFYn/***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
After speaking to the hogger , the trainee and the conductor ... Who
all spoke to the truck driver after the "What the hell were you
thinking" was said ..... He had a brain fart .... He stopped prior
to the crossing like the stop sign implies ... And really did not
look .... When he heard the first whistle warning blast he reacted
panicked and stopped but thought he was too close ... So he went for
it ..... Mistake ... Yes .... Lucky .... Yes .... Train crew lucky
that they hit him where they did .... Yes ..... This is a "farmers
crossing" private .... No quarter mile whistle boards ... Just a use
at your own risk crossing ... Sight lines are obstructed by trees
from the north and the slight curve dsnt help ... Ever since the top
soil pit had opened there there have been numerous near misses ....
Ive personally nearly wiped out a excavator on a float there ....
Will this get resolved yes ... When ... I have no idea ... But as
for now its business as usual Fox Locomotive Engineer Bombardier
Transportation

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Beachville Ontario
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[Chris Fox tieplatecaf-FFYn/[e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

It would have been a lot worse if 627 hit the loaded box and not the front wheels of the dump truck .... The crew is shaken up pretty good .... We discussed if it was cab car leading .... And if the cab hit the loaded box ... There would have been people hurt ... Not to say they would have ended up in the rhubarb .... Crew hit the truck at 58mph ....


Really lucky engine leading


Fox


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Post by 'Mark W. Walton' mark.walton-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
Dam lucky the locomotive struck the truck's cab and not the
truck's load., otherwise the locomotive would have DERAILED along with one or two coaches.
David Scott
Toronto.
Dam lucky it was running locomotive first. No excuse for this, stop and look before crossing as the law requires. Just another macho truck driver.
http://globalnews.ca/video/1432210/dump-truck-collides-with-go-train
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[Chris Fox tieplatecaf-FFYn/[e-mail] [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]]

It would have been a lot worse if 627 hit the loaded box and not the front wheels of the dump truck .... The crew is shaken up pretty good .... We discussed if it was cab car leading .... And if the cab hit the loaded box ... There would have been people hurt ... Not to say they would have ended up in the rhubarb .... Crew hit the truck at 58mph ....


Really lucky engine leading


Fox


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Post by 'Mark W. Walton' mark.walton-***@public.gmane.org [Canadian-Passenger-Rail]
Dam lucky the locomotive struck the truck's cab and not the
truck's load., otherwise the locomotive would have DERAILED along with one or two coaches.
David Scott
Toronto.
Dam lucky it was running locomotive first. No excuse for this, stop and look before crossing as the law requires. Just another macho truck driver.
http://globalnews.ca/video/1432210/dump-truck-collides-with-go-train
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